Ideally, the arm should be vertical or slightly forward when the sling releases. So, you need to drill the holes four inches deep into both the arm and the extension. Again, make sure a 5/8" bolt can easily fall through. This is a more efficient way to transfer potential Fun Crafts For Kids Craft Stick Crafts Wood Crafts 3. rubber mallet BRs of from 3:1 through 8:1 have been used, but at the low end you lose drop and at the high end you run into geometric problems and frame instability. Use your head before you lose your head. 1. cut off about 8 inches from the leg of the jeans. Ok, now, the base is constructed using half- lap joinery. Reply It will differentiate depending on your ratio. 6. ALSO, the base boards (I used 1 X 6) should be thickened. Parallel to the seams, cut all the way through so that you can open it into one sheet. X 3.5 in. i need the axle on the end of the throwing arm to slide up and down within the rectangular slot running up and down the center of the main truss. At this point, dry-assemble your trebuchet and ensure everything fits, and that the arm will move correctly. Mess around you'll figure it out. X 1.5 in. claw hammer [2] This pulls the counterweight upwards slightly after a launch. Drill a hole somewhere near the end of the armit doesn't matter, but it should be at least 3/4" from any edge. It was an old rusty double- headed nail. 22. still thinking. You should have a " Y " shape rope with a trigger pin on each end. SECOND PROBLEM Drill through the entire thing horizontally for the bolt holes. (if you do it, let me know; I'll tell you how to make fireball projectiles), 7 years ago I see you mentioned you built 2. Center the wheel in the middle of the guide blocks and the wheel with the guide blocks in the middle of the tracks. otherwise the long arm will be too heavy. If not look at step 10. Have to build a Treb (much smaller scale), for physics assignment - any advice, for height restrictions of 60cm (just under 24inch) and area of base 900squared cm (just under 140 square inch) - to throw golf ball minimum 100 feet - done some research and most suggest floating arm mechanism would be better option? Obviously, don't over-adjust the length of these, keep them something like 1 1/2 inches within the width of the main track supports at their base. Next tape all outside edges so that the perimeter is completely taped. I don't really know what I'm talking about. Bolt on the CW boxes. I like getting comments. 7. Again, the lengths can be changed slightly, but you want at least 22 feet of length away from the trigger pins when you fire. Although 1 X 6s did end up working, 2 X 6s would have been more sufficient. (0.635 cm) washers, matching carriage bolts So, This project is not due until sometime in may, but I will be glad to post pictures. The more you pull the edge over the other one, the deeper the pouch will be. 1.6 X 3.5 = 5.6 The first picture shows this. i will keep that in mind. i am building a trebuchet for my physics class. Really hope we get the hooks and sling parts to make trebuchets wor *look at the last step, improvements. Next, grab two of the 4 ft 5 in pieces. 2 segments of 2 ft. (0.6096 m.) long 5/8 in. It wasn't the best design for very straight shots, but for me it worked very well. Upon releasing the trigger, the counterweight is allowed to drop through the channel. Now comes the moment of truth. long carriage bolts I used a projectile motion program I wrote using Matlab last year, and assumed a release angle of 45 and initial height of 15 ft. Use three screws in every place that the diagonal touches the track or support. Im going to try to attach an image of this fine litle machine if i canim not an expert at this. They should come out easily if they were cut narrowly enough. Our team devised a problem statement: Design and construct a launching device to maximize the horizontal 3.5+1 represents the total length (Short plus long arm). We'd have done much better with something like this. Although later there are more. The oddity with this trebuchet is that it has no arm ratio as the counterweight sits at the very end of the arm, and the arm itself tends to be shorter. The CW bolt MUSTbe made thicker and stronger, otherwise it will bend and cause problems. ) 1 X 6s flex alot. Use the order of bolts and washers on either side shown in the first picture (From inside to outside the order is) : drop channel, washer, bolt, washer, CW box wall, Washer, bolt, Bolt, washer, wall of CW box, washer, bolt. Ok, find a flat surface and 3 scrap pieces of 2 X 4. The original floating arm design originated in modern times, from professional and hobbyist engineers for recreational and educational use. These go in the front. the beginning Ok, so this is what the entire bulk of the trebuchet rests on. (6.35 cm.) Then bolt on the wheels. 6. Basically, lift the weight into the air using the arm as a lever and the seam in the arm close to the fulcrum. Pretty nice, but you could get a lot more power by lowering your tracks by about a foot. That should be about 2 inches from the end of the track. Today they are used mostly for recreation and education. It will prevent frame strikes, jams and other problems later on. While this is happening, the wheel is moved backwards by the torque acting on the arm from the counterweight. So for a 3.5:1 ratio and 7 ft beam, my short arm would be 1.55 feet and my long arm would be 5.6 feet, more or less. Do you have any instructions or tips perhaps? The bottom is the side where the 2 ft 1 X 6 overlaps the long 1 X 6. Remember, even if you drop the CW, the safety blocks will prevent the arm from swinging up. lateral supports washers 9 years ago Then cut the short arm 2 X 4s about 3 inches longer than your short arm number for strength. Next we have the drop channel supports. Measure the amount of space in between the drop channels. I don't know how long to make the rope or how to attach the sling or how it is even supposed to work? 3. Taper the arm from a full 3" at the axle to 1" at the finger end of the arm (Fig. Miter off one end of each at a 30 degree angle (with respect to the length of the board) This angle just makes it look cooler. If the shot releases at the wrong time, adjust the pin angle. Once smooth motion is achieved, begin adding weight, but do not fire anything until a max weight test is done. Did you make this project? To get it in, you need some sort of head on it for the wrench. ya that sounds good GoochesVFD said that there was some cracking around the base of the long 2 X 4 used as the drop channel. Unless one eye bolt cannot support the weight, relax. i was hoping you could tell me what the release system was rated for and if you have any recommendations on where i can acquire a quick release, 8 years ago Friction when the counterweight is dropping down to the glide strike can be reduced by using silicone grease or a thin film of plastic on the drop channel. [2] The eye bolts are usually placed at the bottom of the frame, locking above the arm to prevent accidental release. Center the bolt in the arm, with the same length of bolt coming out from either side. Harmonic balancers work well for wheels, and can be pulled from a V8 engine at a junkyard. The trigger is a fairly simple design. 3 segments of 3 ft (0.9144 m) long 2 X 6 Now, I believe that the width between the bottom of the main track supports is somewhere around 1 ft, 1 inch. Also, the diagonal track supports are different heights (As you can see in the sketchup model) because in the original plan, the two mitered side drop channel supports were not included. I haven't seen much information on dynamic tuning for the f2k, but we did an estimate of the static loads at the critical points and kept the stresses around 1/4 of the yield strength of the steel.I'd also advise implementing a metal sheet on the rails, instead of bare wood. The CW boxes tilted, and would rub on the drop channel when it dropped. Also, the box needs to have a top so the weights don't come flying out when it reaches the bottom of the drop. Take off the drop channels completely so you can cut through here. Tie it so that it hangs about 12 inches (2.55.1 cm) from the top of the arm. These Are not included in the instructable because I did not think they were necessary. At the tip of the arm, we welded a steel box around it to hold the pin for the sling release and a loop to tie the other end of the sling rope to. If I need to bring the scale down, what would the dimensions be? Lastly, drill a hole through both the walls of each box at least two inches from the top edge for the counterweight bolt. Cut at least 3 inches longer unless you are very good at cutting angles accurately (A miter saw would help)\ Build the frame in two identical halves (left and right) and then attach each half to the frame. 8. Put a generous amount of glue on the flatter side, the 3.5 inch side. Remember, if you make your drop channel wider for a wider CW bolt, You may need to cut the washers down even more and move the bolts farther to the outside. coping saw and orbital sander (The one I used here) In larger designs, the trigger system is applied at the top of the drop channel. It worked fine for me, though. They would at the very least be a good guideline. Weld the inserts carefully to the plates, ensuring the axis of each insert is as close to normal (90) from the plate as possible. WebThe optimal ratio between the long part of the arm and the short part of the arm will depend mainly on the Mass of Weight. Ask me if you have a question. A small-scale replica of War Wolf, a counterweight trebuchet that uses a boulder-holding sling at the end of a swinging arm. It does not matter. Tie the longer end of the rope through the hole in the end of the arm. A good way to estimate the range is to use conservation of energy. Now you simply lay the 6 ft pieces across the supports, lining up the edges, and drive three of the 2.5 inch screws into through the track and into the supports. You want this to happen when your sling is at 45, and it will vary somewhat with projectile weight and counterweight.The sling itself and release pin are a bit of trial and error. "Illinois Institute of Technology students build catapults to toss pumpkins", "Pumpkin Festival aims to be bigger and better", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Floating_arm_trebuchet&oldid=1126960959, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 12 December 2022, at 04:31. Tie a figure 8 knot. I just posted an instructible of our own design, it's a lot beefier, we threw 10-15 lb pumpkins around 300ft, and we actually got 720 lbs in counterweight on it, not including the weight bar or short arm. Arm-sling constraint, arm roller on fixed track, projectile on ramp. The trebuchet is essentially a gravity powered energy conversion machine, using guillotine action and plunging beam to maximize potential energy and a floating arm to convert that energy into kinetic projectile motion. Basically, THE CW BOLT MUST BE MADE STRONGER!! Finally, put a nut and washer on the outside bits of the bolt that protrude from the tracks. wood screws, phillips head drive, #8 Have fun and be safe. 8. This is it. The part of the war machine that means business. The Arm. Luckily, It's also pretty simple to  make. You need: 6 segments of 2 The placement of these pieces is shown in the sixth picture. 7. (2.54 cm.) As a starting point, cut these two Make them small as possible, but make sure they can still guide the arm until its wheels hit the track. http://mort11.org/pumpkinalso be sure to check out the rest of our website, FIRST is a great program for anyone interested in engineering! (Forward to the direction of motion makes it release later, backwards= release sooner. Drill holes every 6 inches into the mitered pieces deep enough so that the wood screws can penetrate the drop guides itself. 13. Use a door release mechanism from a car for your trigger. Basically make a box that can contain your counterweights, whatever they are. Really, you just want something to support your sling during the first part of the arm's swinging so the sling is not dragging on the rough ground. The chain was then loosened again, the weights removed, and the arm cocked and locked with the safety bars again, and the cycle repeats.We chose to paint our trebuchet and stencil our school logo onto it, but this is just for looks.IMPORTANT: Safety is crucial when firing trebuchets. As I said before, the longer diagonal support will be on the side of the drop channel that is farther away from the end of the tracks. diameter threaded rod, coarse thread 2. Also, if I mention anything else in the instructable that I didn't mention here, let me know.Materials Try to have all the sizes of your shafts and designs for your trigger and sling release figured out at this stage, as well as how you plan to attach the shafts (welds or flanges, etc). The key ratio of an arm is anywere between 3:1 and 5:1. Thanks for writing this 'ible. 19. This may need to be changed Again, use a bowline knot. also screwdriver bit driving in your screws. The arm is on a moving axle and the torqueD|volume=26|doi=10.1088/0143-0807/26/4/002|issue=4}} The forward motion of the axle as the arm rotates adds speed to the projectile end of the arm. These keep the distance between the two tracks from narrowing or widening. I have to make a Trebuchet for my Engineering product, and it must be no more in height than 80cm, so what do you think are the best dimensions and ratios for it? (15.24 cm.) From this line and out to the edge, cut 3/8" deep (Half the depth of a 1 x 6) with your circular saw every 16th of an inch or so, all the way across the flat side. The two previous segments are diagonal supports. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Documentation. Arm-sling constraint, arm on fixed roller, projectile on ramp. In contrast, a floating arm trebuchet features an axle on the arm freely moving along a horizontal glide track. The design and construction of such machines is a popular project assignment in post-secondary engineering classes.[3][4]. thank you, Reply *A few notes: the angles were based off of the sketchup model which had a few errors. However, a floating arm trebuchet is more efficient when built to a size of between one meter and five meters,[5] making it suitable for hobbyists and model builders. I'll write more about this in the improvements step. look out for flying cats Lumber The cutouts go around the main track supports. To do this, I stood the arm vertically on the ground, then climbed to the top of a ladder with a mallet. Alternatively, you can attach a heavy weight such as a 20 pounds (9.1 kg) hand weight directly to the end of the arm. 4. Diagonal Track supports. Line up the holes in the arm with the drop gap. 1. then divide your total beam length by that number. This, in turn, changes the width of the drop channels to narrow (BAD) or widen (usually better). 4. So now we're going to add some extra supports that will prevent the 2 ft 1 X 6 from bending, Lateral support and extra track support. 1. Bending 15 in. Tighten all the knots and make sure none will slip. 2. This is the hardest part of loading. This is the pin. 2. Ok, so this is what the entire bulk of the trebuchet rests on. It's 6 feet long and 2 feet wide. And it is constructed with 1 X 6s That's its fa 16 1.5 in (3.81 cm.) diagrams showing the medieval trebuchet design vs. the modern floating arm trebuchet, and brings in the relevant math as well. These are really simple. how long was the arm after the extension? The walking arm trebuchet is a good example, which uses an unconventional design to great effect. For them to fit, I had to cut different lengths off of the diagonal supports. Webfloating arm trebuchet ratios. Webconfigurations for the trebuchet: 1. Take a break. The first recorded use of traction trebuchets appeared in ancient China and were probably used by the Mohists ps-mohist are a scientific lead version of the chinese What is the floating arm Trebuchet, and how does it work? 1 segment of 7 ft. long 2 X 4 To include the Funky Snicket Catapult. Again, not critical. Strap-On Cleats for Ice and Snow Traction, Hollow Wood Surfboard - Plywood and Cedar. Remember to shorten the short arm pieces if you are using a larger ratio that will need to make it shorter. Thanks for the great instructable! Remember you need to make two of these. The release mechanism is a hook with a specific bend in its tip to determine when centripetal force will release one end of the sling, freeing the projectile to continue on its path. Remember, though, that if your short arm is shorter you will need fewer bolts. these will be used in the trigger For me, this was a little more than halfway through the side pieces. X 3.5 in. 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